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The Real Presence in the Objects of Bread and Wine in the Most Holy Eucharist: A Point
Many Protestants and mainline Evangelicals will deny the presence of Christ in the bread and wine. By this I mean they do not believe that with the Word applied to them the bread does not become the body nor the blood become the blood of Christ. What does Scripture say concerning this point of disagreement?
The Gospel According to St. Mark 14:22-24-"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, 'Take it: this is my body.' Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. 'This is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many,' he said to them." NIV
St. Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians 11:23-29-"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, 'This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.' In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.' For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Therefore, whowever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgement on himself." NIV
Wow....and look within the second passage:
1. Drinking is done in remembrance whenever they do it, but it is not the act of drinking that is the cup of the new covenant in his blood, but the WINE itself.
2. Self Examination is required before taking Holy Communion-hence, before the Eucharist in Liturgical churches there is usually a public confession and absolution.
3. Jesus doesn't force his disciples to take and eat or take and drink, he merely provides what is a gift. Unlike circumcision which was a requirement and ordinance (and any man will tell you it isn't a gift), the Eurcharist is a gift from on high, just like Baptism.
4. Normal bread and wine would not incur the wrath of the Lord unless it were tied to something in the elements of said bread and wine.
The next comment I will say is an overgeneralization, but I am going to reply to Reformed Theology rather than each individual non-denom., Methodist, etc. theology which denies the Real Presence for one reason or another. Reformed Theology follows the tradition of John Calvin who said: "The present distribution of the body and blood of the Lord would not greatly benefit us unless they had once for all been given for our redemption and salvation. They are therefore represented under bread and wine so that we may learn not only that they are ours but that they have been destined as food for our Spiritual life. And so as we previously stated, from the physical things set forth in the Sacrament we are led by a sort of analogy to spiritual things. Thus, when bread is given as a symbol of Christ's body, we must at once grasp this comparison: as bread nourishes, sustains, and keeps the life of our body, so Christ's body is the only food to invigorate and enliven our soul" (Institutes of the Christian Religion Chapter 17 point 3 paragraphs 2-3).
Thus we see that the elements of the Holy Supper are relegated to symbols because Christ once and for all sacrificed himself for us. However, while Christ's sacrifice was once and for all, it is also a sacrifice that is not held back by time and space. Just because Christ died in the past does not mean his redemptive power and work are limited to just the future....indeed, how were the Patriarchs therefore saved??? It is the fact that Christ's sacrifice transcends time and space that we are able to say that Christ is truly present in the elements of the bread and wine ("in, with, and under") and that such eating and drinking can help you.
One more biblical quote before I go which might shed even more light on this holy Sacrament. In the Gospel where the Last Supper is not discussed (John), there is this interesting passage: "Jesus said to them,' I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is REAL food and my blood is REAL drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever'" (Gospel According to St. John 6:53-58 ).
I find it hard to accept that Scripture points to anything OTHER than the Real Presence of Christ in the elements of the bread and wine!!!!!!
Prayers:
Lord Jesus Christ (+), Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son (+) and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever. Amen.
Blessed Theotokos, pray for us.
The Real MacGuyver
Was this in Final Fantasy?
Jesus Saves!
Science!
Martin Luther vs. Lex Luthor
Why the Late Roman Pontiff didn't speak out against rock!
Spiderman works it!
White Ninja evades being a square.
Yeah, this has a point.
The Real Presence in the Objects of Bread and Wine in the Most Holy Eucharist: A Point
Many Protestants and mainline Evangelicals will deny the presence of Christ in the bread and wine. By this I mean they do not believe that with the Word applied to them the bread does not become the body nor the blood become the blood of Christ. What does Scripture say concerning this point of disagreement?
The Gospel According to St. Mark 14:22-24-"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, 'Take it: this is my body.' Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. 'This is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many,' he said to them." NIV
St. Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians 11:23-29-"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, 'This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.' In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.' For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Therefore, whowever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgement on himself." NIV
Wow....and look within the second passage:
1. Drinking is done in remembrance whenever they do it, but it is not the act of drinking that is the cup of the new covenant in his blood, but the WINE itself.
2. Self Examination is required before taking Holy Communion-hence, before the Eucharist in Liturgical churches there is usually a public confession and absolution.
3. Jesus doesn't force his disciples to take and eat or take and drink, he merely provides what is a gift. Unlike circumcision which was a requirement and ordinance (and any man will tell you it isn't a gift), the Eurcharist is a gift from on high, just like Baptism.
4. Normal bread and wine would not incur the wrath of the Lord unless it were tied to something in the elements of said bread and wine.
The next comment I will say is an overgeneralization, but I am going to reply to Reformed Theology rather than each individual non-denom., Methodist, etc. theology which denies the Real Presence for one reason or another. Reformed Theology follows the tradition of John Calvin who said: "The present distribution of the body and blood of the Lord would not greatly benefit us unless they had once for all been given for our redemption and salvation. They are therefore represented under bread and wine so that we may learn not only that they are ours but that they have been destined as food for our Spiritual life. And so as we previously stated, from the physical things set forth in the Sacrament we are led by a sort of analogy to spiritual things. Thus, when bread is given as a symbol of Christ's body, we must at once grasp this comparison: as bread nourishes, sustains, and keeps the life of our body, so Christ's body is the only food to invigorate and enliven our soul" (Institutes of the Christian Religion Chapter 17 point 3 paragraphs 2-3).
Thus we see that the elements of the Holy Supper are relegated to symbols because Christ once and for all sacrificed himself for us. However, while Christ's sacrifice was once and for all, it is also a sacrifice that is not held back by time and space. Just because Christ died in the past does not mean his redemptive power and work are limited to just the future....indeed, how were the Patriarchs therefore saved??? It is the fact that Christ's sacrifice transcends time and space that we are able to say that Christ is truly present in the elements of the bread and wine ("in, with, and under") and that such eating and drinking can help you.
One more biblical quote before I go which might shed even more light on this holy Sacrament. In the Gospel where the Last Supper is not discussed (John), there is this interesting passage: "Jesus said to them,' I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is REAL food and my blood is REAL drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever'" (Gospel According to St. John 6:53-58 ).
I find it hard to accept that Scripture points to anything OTHER than the Real Presence of Christ in the elements of the bread and wine!!!!!!
Prayers:
Lord Jesus Christ (+), Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son (+) and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever. Amen.
Blessed Theotokos, pray for us.
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